Woodstock for the Adventurous and Responsible | Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying | EP 483

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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with Dr. Bret Weinstein and Dr. Heather Heying to discuss the state of our country, the evolution of corruption, and the unified vision of the future we can all rally behind.

Dr. Weinstein is an evolutionary biologist who specializes in adaptive trade-offs. His current focus is on the interaction between genetic and cultural evolution. He has worked for 14 years as a professor at The Evergreen State College, testified to the U.S. Congress, and been a visiting fellow at Princeton University. He hosts the DarkHorse Podcast and is a New York Times best-selling author. Bret has been a frequent guest on today's most notable podcasts, such as the JRE Experience, and has been interviewed by some of the most influential and well-known hosts in the industry.

Dr. Heying is an evolutionary biologist, interested in everything from brains to bugs, culture to consciousness. She has conducted research on the evolution of social systems and sexual selection, from frogs to humans. She received her PhD in Biology from the University of Michigan, where she earned the university’s top honor for her dissertation, and has a B.A. in Anthropology from the University of California at Santa Cruz. Most recently, she was a Visiting Fellow at Princeton University.

This episode was filmed on September 16th, 2024

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Bret’s website https://www.bretweinstein.net/

Bret on X https://x.com/BretWeinstein

Heather’s website https://www.heatherheying.com/

Natural Selections Substack https://naturalselections.substack.com/


- Chapters -

(0:00) Coming up
(0:35) Intro
(3:36) Bret and Heather at Peterson Academy
(6:19) The social media approach to learning: iterative feedback
(12:01) Combating the evolution of corruption
(17:37) The benefits of recorded lectures, future goals for in-person conventions
(20:27) Cost of entry, managing bad actors, and the hierarchy of curation
(26:04) Why Hillsdale College has a 1% dropout rate in the first year
(30:36) The difference between censorship and refereeing, leveraging evolution to continuously self-improve
(32:58) Elon Musk: adapting solutions faster than those who seek to game the system
(34:45) The orthodoxy of the past and predicting the future
(36:21) Rescue the Republic - “We’re hoping this will be an event the way Woodstock was a music festival”
(40:02) The propositional must be surrounded by the imagistic, the opportunity for discovery
(42:14) Propositional intelligence — and what actually makes you wise
(45:57) The edge traversed by comedians, the advent of the laugh track
(53:03) The radical distortion of music, “music used to be a living entity”
(57:35) Putting forth the pillars of our civilization, the exhausted middle
(1:00:14) A secular thinker on the spiritual battle we are all engaged in
(1:04:11) The necessity of narrative, translating for the secular
(1:09:49) The title toward the demonic, using AI to map the pattern of the Logos
(1:11:16) Prayer, revelation, and the spirit of the question
(1:14:25) Brick-in-the-wall science, hypothesis generation
(1:17:59) The relation between openness and divergent associations, hierarchies of mutational repair
(1:20:49) A new convergence on a shared perspective, the need of God to answer prayers
(1:22:50) Richard Dawkins, winning with your own audience rather than making substantive progress
(1:27:41) What the ancients knew about the delusion of being, metaphorical models in science
(1:34:40) Dawkins’ one error in “The Selfish Gene”




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